DKP's for the Guild

Sounds like a greet idea, I can't see why not.

I agree with this completely. Very good point.

Ok I THINK I understand the system, but im not sure. WHen you donate an item to the bank, you get some DKP that you can spend to take an item out of the bank? Or do a good deed to earn DKP to get an item from the bank? Will certain items be worth certain amounts of DKP?

Please let me know if I'm way out in space or on the right track

lets make an example, if i get use like 4 hours killing the same monster again again for a item which i used for crafting and then donate it to the guild, will i get DKPs ?

Agreed, we should implement it

Thus is a weary good idea, maybe the guild should find a mmo and try out this idea.

But is there a price on a specific amount let me say.

i will need 4 health potions, how much dkp whoud that cost ?

i need some new epic bracers how much would that cost ?

I need matiarls to make a new sword, how much wohuld that cost ?

well, I think it's a good idea

I'm absolutely against the DKP system.

Having been a big WoW player for several years now, I've had the dubious pleasure of having been a member of a variety of guilds, from the extreme casual to the insane hardcore.

While not all utilized the DKP system or an equivalent 'guild currency', I found the ones that DID had a hard time bringing new members into the fold.

Why? Because unless severe alterations and rules are put into place, DKP is, in essence, a flawed system. It doesn't reward skill or other intagible, but just as arguably neccesary, qualities essential to a game. It rewards those who PLAY the game the most.

Example. Say we award DKP for attending 'raids' and for downing 'bosses'. The members who have been with the guild from the start, or earlier, are going to have a repository of points saved up, outbidding fresh members at every turn for loot or other rewards. The new players are unable to acclimate or contribute, because the veterans aquire even more power and wealth while the newer members suffer.

The guild I run has a very simple system, which has been praised for its fairness: rewards and loot is distributed in a simple need before greed fashion, unless it would obviously benefit one member to an extreme amount and the other competitors only slightly. Overall, it strengthens the guild.

In my opinion, it's an extremely counter-productive system, and my full recomendation is to NEVER institue DKP or a system like it. I have no problems with rewarding members with 'medals' or other such guild rewards, but an actual guild currency that affects the way out guild interacts with the game should never see the light of day.

But Vyynn, you need to realize that new members would get somthing for nothing! I'd just think of the DKP system as this: If you go on the quest with people, you share the rewards as equally as possible to the people who went on the quest with you. Then, save some for the guild. Newcomers would abuse this and not even help out. They would just get somthing for nothing.

Vyynn Randos wrote:

I'm absolutely against the DKP system.

Having been a big WoW player for several years now, I've had the dubious pleasure of having been a member of a variety of guilds, from the extreme casual to the insane hardcore.

While not all utilized the DKP system or an equivalent 'guild currency', I found the ones that DID had a hard time bringing new members into the fold.

Why? Because unless severe alterations and rules are put into place, DKP is, in essence, a flawed system. It doesn't reward skill or other intagible, but just as arguably neccesary, qualities essential to a game. It rewards those who PLAY the game the most.

Example. Say we award DKP for attending 'raids' and for downing 'bosses'. The members who have been with the guild from the start, or earlier, are going to have a repository of points saved up, outbidding fresh members at every turn for loot or other rewards. The new players are unable to acclimate or contribute, because the veterans aquire even more power and wealth while the newer members suffer.

The guild I run has a very simple system, which has been praised for its fairness: rewards and loot is distributed in a simple need before greed fashion, unless it would obviously benefit one member to an extreme amount and the other competitors only slightly. Overall, it strengthens the guild.

In my opinion, it's an extremely counter-productive system, and my full recomendation is to NEVER institue DKP or a system like it. I have no problems with rewarding members with 'medals' or other such guild rewards, but an actual guild currency that affects the way out guild interacts with the game should never see the light of day.

I agree with Vyynn i too am a big WoW player and found this system to be ineffective and unfair one fact for sure is that we shouldnt have any type of loot system or point system Pre-game. and i stand by my comment, if you want to be fair then run Loot Council in a guild its way more effective and no one really wants to join a guild as a new member if they're running DKP, just sayin i think vyynn knows what im talking about.

To be honest, in all my years spent across the MMO universe (so to speak) I have never once actually used the DKP system so I can't really comment on it. The only real time it ever came up was in WoW when my guilds would discuss what to do with loot and such. All I can say is that every time it was brought up the vast majority of the guild voted against it.

Like I said earlier, I have never tried it myself so I have no idea. I am willing to try anything once and if it works, it works, if it doesn't, then we move on to something different. I think it best that we wait until we know a little more about how the loot system as a whole is handled in ToR before we jump to any conclusions.

Master Traxex Wraw wrote:

But Vyynn, you need to realize that new members would get somthing for nothing! I'd just think of the DKP system as this: If you go on the quest with people, you share the rewards as equally as possible to the people who went on the quest with you. Then, save some for the guild. Newcomers would abuse this and not even help out. They would just get somthing for nothing.

Then perhaps the fault lies with the way we recruit people. In my WoW guild, I have never accepted someone into the guild who I wasn't ready to accept on faith. If our recruitment is so broad that it allows unsavory and untrustworthy types in, then we need to make it more stringent.

And beyond that, Trax, not all newcomers are so eager to take advantage.

True, but you have seen how many spies have tried to join the guild, right?

Who are then caught fairly quickly, Trax. And just because I'm absoutely against DKP or any currency system doesn't mean I'm totally resistant to some other system that is a safeguard against unsavory types, like a probation system.

Trax we dont know who are spies and what not but it gets dealt with that has nothing to do with a DKP system DKP is Loot in a PvE setting it doesnt benefit recruiting or anything else its a loot system

I say its too early to think of having a Loot system when we dont even for 1 Have Set Raid Leaders for 2 we no1 even has the knowledge of the games Pve and how or if the raids will even be implamented with set loot like in WoW. So i say we wait and end the discussion until we get the game.

very good ideea indeed!read everything,from possible rules and concepts and i think that the guild leadership should look into it.

I've said it for a while now, and I agree, harb. There are just some things we can't and SHOULDN'T do or decide on until more information about the game is released. I still stand by my Absolute No DKP stance, but making a decision now would not be optimal.